MPs want topless, nude bathing banned on NSW beaches-Article from: The Daily Telegraph
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24854128-5001021,00.htmlTHE Reverend Fred Nile has everyone talking about bare breasts - but both sides of politics say his proposal to ban topless sunbathing is not a matter for State Parliament.
A proposal to outlaw bare-breasted women on NSW beaches has gained almost no support since Mr Nile raised the issue today.
The Christian Democratic Party upper house member wants to introduce a private member's Bill, which NSW Labor MP Paul Gibson and Liberal MP David Clarke said they would support.
But Acting NSW Premier Carmel Tebbutt does not have a problem with topless sunbathing and says the issue is a matter for local councils.
"Government can sometimes get themselves into all sorts of trouble by trying to stray into areas that are better left to individuals," she said.
NSW Opposition Leader Barry O'Farrell says the issue "doesn't even rate" with State Parliament.
He is also not bothered by bare breasts at the beach, and said his wife and two sons, aged nine and 14, visited beaches where topless sunbathing was not common.
"You work out which are family-friendly beaches, which aren't, and you simply attend those," Mr O'Farrell said.
Acting Prime Minister Julia Gillard said the issue was about mutual respect among beachgoers.
"Obviously family groups want to go to the beach, people who want to get a bit of sun all over also want to go to the beach," she said.
"As long as people know what the rules are and know what to expect I think it is a matter for the individuals involved."
The issue has dominated the local media since being exposed by The Daily Telegraph this morning.
And readers have got lots to say - the majority praising topless bathing, some claiming "man boobs" and saggy bellies are the true offenders, plenty agreeing NSW's biggest boobs are in Parliament and one wag saying that any law should prohibit women over 35 from sunbathing topless.
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Ms Tebbut said she would not support a ban.
And the Labor Party would also be unlikely to allow MPs a conscience vote on the issue, meaning it is most likely dead in the water.
"I don't support a ban on topless sunbathing,'' Ms Tebbutt said. "It doesn't offend me but I know it does offend some people.''
The mayor who presides over Sydney's famous Bondi Beach - a hotspot for topless sunbaking - weighed in more heavily, saying politicians should focus on important issues like violence, not breasts.
Waverley Council mayor Sally Betts targeted her angst on plan instigator and upper house member Reverend Fred Nile, who belongs to the Christian Democrat Party.
"We've got alcohol-related violence, we've got under-age drinking and anti-social behaviour in the public domain - those are really important issues," Ms Betts told Macquarie Radio.
"If Reverend Nile really wants to help people he should focus on those issues."
Ms Betts said she was at the beach on Christmas Day and Boxing Day and did not notice any topless women.
But if it was a problem, she would have heard about it, she said.
"In Waverley, we have a very involved community. They complain about everything," she said.
"But nobody has complained to me about topless (women)."
Meanwhile interstate, a boob-related ban is gaining support - a crackdown on underage nipple piercing.
In NSW, local councils currently don't fine or prohibit topless bathers as they do not regard bare breasts as nudity.
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Liberal powerbroker David Clarke and Labor MP Paul Gibson yesterday vowed to support the Bill by Reverend Nile that would ban nudity at popular beaches like Bondi, Manly and Coogee. Support from both sides of Parliament increases the Bill's chance if it goes to a conscience vote.
"The law should be clear. It must say: 'Exposure of women's breasts on beaches will be prohibited'," Rev Nile said yesterday.
Councils have the power to fine people for bathing nude, but Waverley Mayor Sally Betts said yesterday topless was not nude: "Nude is when you've got no clothes on."
Police can fine people for indecent exposure if they get naked in public.
Labor MP Paul Gibson said topless women made people feel uncomfortable.
"If you're on the beach do you want somebody with big knockers next to you when you're there with the kids," he said.
English tourists Lisa Clarke and Laura Dawson, both 32, have sunbaked topless on almost every continent and along most of Australia's east coast. They were at Coogee Beach yesterday.
Ms Clarke said no one ever seemed to take any notice: "I don't see what the big deal is."
And it continues-
Women want man boobs banned, topless bathing ban rejected-Article from: The Daily Telegraph
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24856979-5001021,00.htmlFORGET outlawing bare breasted ladies, the real crime on NSW beaches has been revealed: Old and saggy man-cans.
Women under threat of a boob ban yesterday called on men to put away theirs first in the controversial push to ban topless bathing across Sydney.
"I've seen men that have bigger breasts that some people would find more offensive," topless bather Vicki Ebel said yesterday.
"If you're going to ban anything, ban that."
Ms Ebel and friend Sophie Wheeler, both 20 from London, let it all hang out on Bondi Beach yesterday where there was wide-spread backlash against a push by Reverend Fred Nile to ban topless bathing.
Mr Nile, a Christian Democrats MP, said women had to be specifically targeted - not men - because "some of the radical groups say men go topless, why can't women".
"The other factor is with skin cancer the breast on a woman is very sensitive and we have a huge increase in breast cancer already," Mr Nile said.
Uh Fred, skin cancer and breast cancer are different diseases, you moron.While the ban has support from both sides of State Parliament it has been rejected by the wider community, as well as Acting Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Acting Premier Carmel Tebbutt.
"Governments can sometimes get themselves into all sorts of trouble by trying to stray into areas that are better left to individuals," Ms Tebbutt said.
"It doesn't offend me but I know it does offend some people. But we have had topless sunbathing on beaches in NSW for quite some time now."
Ms Gillard said there was a time and place for everything, including topless bathing.
"As long as people know what the rules are and know what to expect I think it is a matter for the individuals involved," Ms Gillard said.
Mother of two Angela Conway, from the think tank Pro-family Perspectives, said beaches should be places families can go without the pressure of hyper sexualised nudity.
"Displaying one's self in all your naked glory to be a point of attraction on the beach is different to breastfeeding," she said.
Topless bathing wasn't a problem for families or children at Bondi and surrounding beaches, according to Waverley Mayor Sally Betts, who said there had been only one complaint in the past six years.
But even NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione, who can charge topless and naked people in public places with indecent exposure or offensive behaviour, gave bare breasted women the thumbs up.
"The last time I looked we don't have the moral laws or the fun laws under our jurisdiction," he said.
It was a declaration welcomed on Bondi Beach by people such as Lex Deeley, who sold two bottles of water to Ms Ebel and Ms Wheeler.
"Sometimes I wake up for work in the morning and I don't want to get up out of bed," he said.
"But then I'm surrounded by hundreds of beautiful women with naked breasts and I think - it's a good day at work really."
The state of NSW is an economic basket case and this is what minority interest clowns like this religious nut are wasting their time on. Here's hoping for a topless protest.
